General Stream Discussion [Former: Dual Stream discussion]

2013-11-27 11:19:39 pm

And then the third stream, "the pirate stream", in the storage room I assume? ;)

The Blue Room is good I would say, as long as the door to the kitchen/hangout area is closed and is not used, to prevent people to just run back and forth through the room. Sure it's depends on where the two streams are positioned. And ofc that there is enough room for the practice area, but as Edemal said, also having TVs in the hallway close to the green room would be pretty cool!

Other than that, I'm all for it!

Svenne

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Svenne: 2013-11-28 01:15:41 am

2013-11-28 01:15:23 am

You are thinking about the space inbetween the streaming rooms right? that was seldom used, at all

curseddolls

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curseddolls: 2013-11-28 07:13:16 am

curseddolls: 2013-11-28 07:11:28 am

2013-11-28 07:10:36 am

100% gamer

I remember what that space was used for.. People sleeping.. xD

Edenal

2013-11-28 11:08:17 am

Cool that there seems to be more support for the Blue Room!

I'm very #hype for ESA2014.

Alko

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Alko: 2013-11-28 11:37:08 pm

2013-11-28 12:49:41 pm

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Yeah, I was going to say, Edenal's and Nev's sleeping room was like a quarter of the size of the streaming room so never in the life of God. I didn't bring up the blue room, because (mental blockade, you know ;)) I believed it had already been decided that that's the practice room. Of course, if we instead have the 2013 streaming room plus green room (maybe) plus hallway between green and 2013 stream plus Edenal's/Nev's sleeping room (maybe) as practice/casual area, that would be a good tradeoff.
Also I don't remember the blue room having all to much day- or sunlight. Which is a big plus imho, because it means we don't need to worry about blinding sun for either runners or tech people. By the way you should have seen what we did to Pox' streaming room window for C4L13 xD There was only aluminium foil left of the thing xD
And Svenne: That area was mostly used for people illegally sleeping in Nyeport xD

Another thought on two streams and viewer splitting, again using my own biased view of things as an example:
Say the red stream is having Cosmo running OoT and I tune in as a viewer. Chances are I'm going to watch it, because OoT is very high up on my all-time favourites list. So I don't watch the poor blue stream runner.
Say instead that the blue stream is hosting SM64 with Siglemic. Chances are very high I'ld be watching the red stream, because I don't give a damn about the game and feel it is overhyped. Same thing if the red stream is showcasing someone (I don't even know who might have a record with that one ^^') killing the animals in that one Metroid game whose title I don't know. Chances are I'ld end up in the blue stream (unless they're playing some FPS over there). If we try as much as possible to emphasise diversity between the streams there should always be enough people disinterested enough in the game on one stream to check out the other stream, even if the one stream is showcasing one of the 'big names' (be it runner or game name).
I do, however, feel the need to stress again, that the runner on the blue stream needs to know, and be fine with Siglemic streaming SM64 on the red stream at the same time, otherwise that will lead to very unpleasant drama.

edited for typo

Yeah, I was going to say, Edenal's and Nev's sleeping room was like a quarter of the size of the streaming room so never in the life of God. I didn't bring up the blue room, because (mental blockade, you know ;)) I believed it had already been decided that that's the practice room. Of course, if we instead have the 2013 streaming room plus green room (maybe) plus hallway between green and 2013 stream plus Edenal's/Nev's sleeping room (maybe) as practice/casual area, that would be a good tradeoff.
Also I don't remember the blue room having all to much day- or sunlight. Which is a big plus imho, because it means we don't need to worry about blinding sun for either runners or tech people. By the way you should have seen what we did to Pox' streaming room window for C4L13 xD There was only aluminium foil left of the thing xD
And Svenne: That area was mostly used for people illegally sleeping in Nyeport xD

Another thought on two streams and viewer splitting, again using my own biased view of things as an example:
Say the red stream is having Cosmo running OoT and I tune in as a viewer. Chances are I'm going to watch it, because OoT is very high up on my all-time favourites list. So I don't watch the poor blue stream runner.
Say instead that the blue stream is hosting SM64 with Siglemic. Chances are very high I'ld be watching the red stream, because I don't give a damn about the game and feel it is overhyped. Same thing if the red stream is showcasing someone (I don't even know who might have a record with that one ^^') killing the animals in that one Metroid game whose title I don't know. Chances are I'ld end up in the blue stream (unless they're playing some FPS over there). [i]If we try as much as possible to emphasise diversity between the streams[/i] there should always be enough people disinterested enough in the game on one stream to check out the other stream, even if the one stream is showcasing one of the 'big names' (be it runner or game name).
I do, however, feel the need to stress again, that [i]the runner on the blue stream needs to know, and be fine with Siglemic streaming SM64 on the red stream at the same time[/i], otherwise that [i]will[/i] lead to very unpleasant drama.

edited for typo

Edenal

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Edenal: 2013-11-28 01:20:53 pm

2013-11-28 01:19:08 pm

Quote from Alko:

Also I don't remember the blue room having all to much day- or sunlight. Which is a big plus imho, because it means we don't need to worry about blinding sun for either runners or tech people. By the way you should have seen what we did to Pox' streaming room window for C4L13 xD There was only aluminium foil left of the thing xD

The wall of the room behind the camera on the picture was actually a glass wall. But it was covered up with big wooden planks.

Quote from Alko:

I do, however, feel the need to stress again, that the runner on the blue screen needs to know, and be fine with Siglemic streaming SM64 on the red stream at the same time, otherwise that will lead to very unpleasant drama.

The way I suggest this should be handled is to include an option when suggesting games. Something like a special request and all runners specify what request they have and more importantly why they they have it. I don't feel like simply requesting special treatment without a reason is going to cut it.

[quote="Alko"]Also I don't remember the blue room having all to much day- or sunlight. Which is a big plus imho, because it means we don't need to worry about blinding sun for either runners or tech people. By the way you should have seen what we did to Pox' streaming room window for C4L13 xD There was only aluminium foil left of the thing xD[/quote]

The wall of the room behind the camera on the picture was actually a glass wall. But it was covered up with big wooden planks.

[quote="Alko"]I do, however, feel the need to stress again, that [i]the runner on the blue screen needs to know, and be fine with Siglemic streaming SM64 on the red stream at the same time[/i], otherwise that [i]will[/i] lead to very unpleasant drama.[/quote]

The way I suggest this should be handled is to include an option when suggesting games. Something like a special request and all runners specify [b]what [/b] request they have and more importantly [b]why [/b]they they have it. I don't feel like simply requesting special treatment without a reason is going to cut it.

Alko

2013-11-28 11:39:27 pm

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Damn people quoting me and showing me the typos I made after 36 h+ with only 2 h sleep 8D It says blue stream now xD

If that is the case, then we should make it crystal clear, that runners need to request not to play while Siglemic is running on the other stream. Or someone will come along and conjure drama because 'no-one told me that I would be at the same time!!!111eleven'

Edenal

2013-11-29 09:24:22 am

I deleted two posts. Keep the thread clean and don't quote images please :(

Alko

2014-01-05 09:10:59 pm

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It's definitely not going to happen automatically, i.e. if ever a name gets put on the stream, it would have to have gone through donation station processing first (there are spelling equivalents to Mike Hunt).
Apart from that, I'm neither a fan of it, nor do I think it'll be happening at all. The donation total should be put onto the site itself and not onto the stream (reason: easier updating, stream space being scarce). Names should, if anything, be read aloud, that's already clogging enough imho. Again, screen space is too scarce to just seemingly randomly putting names on there.

MrLonghair

2014-01-05 09:13:21 pm

Baldioengineer

How well-lit is the blue room? I'm watching AGDQ like we all are and the darkness detracts, it actually qualifies as something that "gets on my nerves". A personal must-have for ESA2014 is that the webcams must show bright colourful people in bright colourful locales, just like ESA2012 and ESA2013 did.

Alko

2014-01-05 09:17:56 pm

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Isn't it so~ much more fun to have some weird Dutch, Finnish, Turkish, Czech, Russian, etc. names that the people have to fight their way through (respectively that people just master because they can speak the language)? xD So much more fun than just reading 'van den Nieuwenhoek' or whatever? ;) (Bangerra or the Dutch crew are going to behead me now for that name not being Dutch xD)

Edenal

2014-01-05 09:31:09 pm

Quote from MrLonghair:

How well-lit is the blue room? I'm watching AGDQ like we all are and the darkness detracts, it actually qualifies as something that "gets on my nerves". A personal must-have for ESA2014 is that the webcams must show bright colourful people in bright colourful locales, just like ESA2012 and ESA2013 did.

It's very well lit.

AGDQ's using high quality HD camcorders. We should do the same for ESA.

MrLonghair

2014-01-05 11:41:48 pm

Baldioengineer

Quote from Edenal:

AGDQ's using high quality HD camcorders. We should do the same for ESA.

As long as we make it bright and happy
~~puff puff pass~~

Partystar

2014-01-06 02:23:12 am

I agree with MrLonghair. The cam at AGDQ is pretty dark.

oasiz

2014-01-06 04:50:40 pm

You guys better not even touch the green room or I'll be holding the next pirate stream in front of the runners themselves, sideways.

Blue room sounds like it would work the best. Can we be less strict on the water / etc.. this time around due to even more "easy cleaning floor" ? A bottle of water shouldn't hurt too much and doesn't smell and distract other people unlike say.. pizza, And there is more room to place the prize stuff, out of any harm.
People brought coffee and water inside anyway and such ruling is just stupid and doesn't make much sense as people will break it anyway. I can agree with trickier stuff like pizza / cola, spilling those can be more annoying to clean.
I can agree why such products are banned at AGDQ for example is that the floor is just carpet which is a mess to clean, now we wouldn't even have the expensive design oak floor to spill stuff into.

And I agree with MrLonghair, puff puff pass.

curseddolls

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curseddolls: 2014-01-06 07:13:08 pm

2014-01-06 07:12:51 pm

100% gamer

the reason why we where not allowed to have anything in the blue room was because of the new floor that has been fixed.
if we so much spilled water on it we would have to pay the damage to the floor carpet.

MrLonghair

2014-01-06 10:15:41 pm

Baldioengineer

Is it a plastic mat, or has it changed from Edenals photos? I'd like cheap secondhand carpet for couch-areas , could be a handy anti-spill device also, but a bunch of cables and power supplies on actual carpet would be a big no-no for fire-safety (great timing writing this, as the AGDQ people return indoors).

There simply shouldn't be any drink or eat in the room overall in my opinion, unless it's for a runner. The smell of this or that can get in the way. Coffee tea and liquids that will stain are the greatest of nonos and should have a written contract on them, "spill = pay the bill", I say this from earlier experiences and clumsy people responsible for stains on multi-million SEK studio floors.

curseddolls

2014-01-07 09:42:54 am

100% gamer

Its is an expensive plastic carpet.

Edenal

2014-01-07 09:47:41 am

It's a plastic carpet especially made for dancing. (Think this: http://www.unisport.com/sv/produkter/harlequin-duo )

If we use the blue room for streaming, we can allow water / anything in non-split bottles. And like Longhair said, if you break it, you buy it. The kicker here, is that we can be less restrictive about drinks and snacks in the other rooms. Food that's usually eaten with cutlery should still stay in the kitchen area tho.

BloodDuster

2014-01-07 11:38:03 pm

puh there's a lot going on here (i overread some to save bit of time^^)
So basically using the big blue room sounds like a nice idea and the properties described seem fitting for 2 streams at once. I sure do get everyone point but well not everyone can be satisfied (solution wise, run wise, attention, scjedule etc)
But something has to be done^^ As for me (who will probably offer a ~5 hour RPG run) the solution seems nice with 2 streams. Many people dont like to watch hourlong speedruns but at the other hand many do.
Sure it would suck if you run at the same time as Ennopp does but well, some people always tune into your stream and watch you. As long as one person watches/likes what you do its ok i guess :)

Alko

2014-01-09 09:36:54 pm

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I managed to spill a cup of coffee someone else had taken into the streaming room, put on the prize table, and left there until it got cold last year. If any drink other than water is allowed in non-closed bottles, then only on personally labelled cups, so I can yell at the culprit. If need be, I'm having a dragon guard them cups, and only give them out to people who write names.
Nice side-effect, we could trace who left what where ;)

About food, it's basically along the lines of what has been said. Nothing that in any way has a far-roaming smell (pizza, flavoured soups, curries yump to mind). Nothing that will stick up everything in a three mile radius unless it's firmly on a large enough plate. Stuff like sandwiches, Korvapuusti, Swedish fish, or onigiri can be allowed without problems, especially if they are for runner, tech or donation stations O:-)

I still think the green room is safe per se, because it's just too small to offer a proper sized stream, assuming that all streams are created equal. (and also remembering, that some streams like Pirate understream are less equal than others Kappa.)

I managed to spill a cup of coffee someone else had taken into the streaming room, put on the prize table, and left there until it got cold last year. If any drink other than water is allowed in non-closed bottles, then only on personally labelled cups, so I can yell at the culprit. If need be, I'm having a dragon guard them cups, and only give them out to people who write names.
Nice side-effect, we could trace who left what where ;)

About food, it's basically along the lines of what has been said. Nothing that in any way has a far-roaming smell (pizza, flavoured soups, curries yump to mind). Nothing that will stick up everything in a three mile radius unless it's firmly on a large enough plate. Stuff like sandwiches, Korvapuusti, Swedish fish, or onigiri can be allowed without problems, especially if they are for runner, tech or donation stations O:-)

I still think the green room is safe per se, because it's just too small to offer a proper sized stream, assuming that all streams are created equal. (and also remembering, that some streams like Pirate understream are less equal than others Kappa.)

MrLonghair

2014-01-10 10:29:50 am

Baldioengineer

I'll be making private pirate-streams from my PS VITA directly to NicoVideo from anywhere I can get wifi.

Svenne

2014-01-10 06:23:47 pm

I always stayed on the right side of the door so I could drink coffee and watch the stream at the same time, must have looked kilarious though

Do someone have the plans over the whole complex btw? Im gonna ask crippe!

KanBan85

2014-01-11 10:46:10 pm

So. Will there be a "main - stream" and a "secondary stream"? Like should people submit games for both streams?

Like in my case I would submit Braid for main stream (maybe) and "Another Perspective" for secondary stream.

MrLonghair

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MrLonghair: 2014-01-12 12:20:50 pm

2014-01-12 02:50:41 am

Baldioengineer

The games submitted will be balanced between the two. The goal is to never have any viewer go "ok now I can sleep because I'm not interested".

edit: (Ah!)