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Black is my favorite color ;_;
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j4sp3rr: 2013-11-23 04:18:33 pm
Quote from ozzy88:
Black is my favorite color ;_;

i second that, ATLEAST 80% of my shirts are black xD
It's not a bad color, it's just boring since half the time you'll end up wearing all-black (or at least all-dark) clothing.

good thing i have orange pants
100% gamer
so far the other site has not answered my email if I don't get an answer next week
I will go back to using the spread shirt page.

Should i make a poll about this subject too see how the interests are for the whole t-shirt thing?
ofcourse you can do that :) might give you a clearer picture
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curseddolls: 2013-11-23 07:47:09 pm
100% gamer
where should I post a poll..
just in here i guess or on the skype or wherever you thin it might work the best
100% gamer
well it feels like SDA forum has most people checking things for ESA but I don't have an account for that forum
just post the poll on here i'll spread it on the ESA post on SDA ;)
100% gamer
Caution: This user contains Kana ^_^
Black is the only colour \m/ I'll wear it, until I find something darker e.e
Cursedolls: Please make an account of the SDA forums when posting about ESA.
It helps people who want to get in touch with you and not having an account can seem a bit unprofessional. Especially if you want to organize and take orders for ESA-shirts.
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curseddolls: 2013-12-13 03:27:01 pm
curseddolls: 2013-12-13 03:25:58 pm
curseddolls: 2013-12-13 03:24:31 pm
100% gamer
Didn't seem right to make an account since I'm not a speedrunner
plus it was just a post to see if there was an interest for it nothing else.

There is a lot more people active on that forum that is usually at ESA
then there is here, therefore much easier for me to know if it is or if it isn't.

Don't bash me just because I just wanted to see if it was worth looking into!
I express what I believe is for the best of the event and doing so as polite as possible.

The main reason why we got a separate account (ESA-account on SDA) was to avoid any possible kind of confusion about what's coming from the planing crew and what's coming from individuals. Even if people know who you are, you have absolutely zero credibility when posting anonymously and you are hurting your own cause! I'm saying this to help you, not bash on you...
100% gamer
Yes I'm sorry for snapping just felt a bit to harsh when the only thing
I was trying to get was to see if there was any interest in it since I'm the
only one working on it.

Some other said he would create a post of it but never did so I just did it myself.

"want anything done better do it your self" way of thinking.
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j4sp3rr: 2013-12-15 10:25:06 pm
you said you wanted to have a poll, i told you just make a poll and post it here, i'll then post it over on the website, however i never saw you post a poll here.
Therefor i did not act on my own because it is your idea and i did not want to act it out before you wanted to.
I am sorry for the misunderstanding i guess, some more communication would have been nice though.
100% gamer
I posted a poll its on the first page, polls can only be on the first page.
I voted "NO".

Anything more than 15€ is too much.
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curseddolls: 2013-12-16 09:48:18 am
curseddolls: 2013-12-16 09:47:33 am
curseddolls: 2013-12-16 09:47:00 am
curseddolls: 2013-12-16 09:46:20 am
100% gamer
I found this site, is this too expensive?
You said u wanted 10-15 euro, and on this site
the product is at 14,35 euro without shipping with both an image and a text.

It's better but still a bit pricey.

I'm now asking you to refrain from making any more posts about this matter on the SDA forums. You've established that there's interest for t-shirt.
Please let the planing crew take it from here. We have contacts within SDA who can help us get in contact with the necessary companies.

And for the final time. Don't post in _any_ of the ESA-threads of the SDA-forums without making an account. When you answer questions you become a representative.
100% gamer
It's fine, I'm done working on this project that you actually told me that I could continue on.
Do whatever you want with it, since it clearly shows that the things I have put time
into investigating in it was not appreciated.

And I do have made an account I never refused create one I just said it felt wrong since
SDA usually are towards speedrunners.

So just take over my project that you told I could work on and make it your own.
Hope it gets better with your work on it then it did with mine.
It was a good initiative and I think we all appreciate that you put your time and effort into this. We do want to have better communication with you before you post about it on SDA where it's out for everyone to see. Decisions needs to be made including those planning this marathon and if we want to go out with information or suggestions it looks best if it's done through the ESA account on SDA and the official ESA account on Twitter.

If you talk to us first we would have the chance to try and help you or explain to you why it would not work or whatever the case may be. Just acting on our own just isn't good for ESA in the long run. Things may take more time but at least they will be thought through and any backlash will be on all of us instead of any individual.

Also, SDA is for anyone with any interest in speedrunning what so ever. So, make that account already ;P
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Edenal: 2013-12-16 03:58:09 pm
Ozzy summarized it very well.

It's regrettable that you feel like you've been robbed of your project and that your work was not appreciated. We appreciate the information and feedback. But dealing with manufacturers and presenting the information to the public are tasks for the planing group. We are working hard to keep a united front and polishing the ESA brand name.
100% gamer
I can understand everything of that, just feels like when you really show that you care
and want to help its not appreciated.

And you call me even a representative when I have never really felt included at all.
This was the thing that made me feel included but now that's gone so for now I'm just
a member that's on an event with a bunch of people.

But as I said sure continue on my project and do whatever you want with it.
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j4sp3rr: 2013-12-17 02:07:19 am
j4sp3rr: 2013-12-17 02:06:54 am
Edenal it's fine that you want to take it up with the planning group and all that, and i'm sorry if you think i have nothing to do with this, but please read this from me as an outsider to this thing as i can objectively look at this from two sides:

ESA Side:
* Yes i understand very well you want to bring this as professionally and clearly as possible
* Yes both you guys and curseddolls should have communicated better, but you can't simply put the blame on her,
and i think it's regrettable that you just take the project out of her hands and put it up to planning, instead of just asking her if she might not just want to help you guys out?
it is her initiative after all and no matter how you look at it, you just took her project and ripped it out of her hands and control,
she's just trying to help out and you are basically just slapping her on the wrists and i do not see that as an intention nor a good decision by the ESA planning, it will lead to bad blood between the community i would feel.
*Yes curseddolls might have been better off by making an account, but it was not neccesary, if people wanted to ask anything about it, they know how to contact ESA, they can also ask her details through the forum,
i feel the making of an account might have been better, but far from neccesary, also if she doesn't feel she is in the official ESA group, she has nothing to do with the official ESA account either, the original idea was,
between me and her for me to post it on my personal account on the SDA forums, they might have been able to PM me, but it would've basically not ended much different.
* You CAN NOT, and i repeat CAN NOT tell somebody not to post on a forum that is not within your control without making an account, if the damn forum allows you to reply to said thread without making an account.
Again the SDA forum is not your jurisdiction, and their rules apply to their threads

* Yes i understand very well you wanted to see if other people were interested in your ideas, but some more patience and planning might have been better,
i know it's hard to wait around and sit back looking for responses, but it might have been the best idea.
* Yes i feel you are not obligated to make an account, as stated above.
* Your initiative was very creative and nice, i feel it has been shot down too much.

Edenal to put this in TL;DR context:
you are being to harsh on people, i understand you are trying to do this as professionally as possible, but the fact that curseddolls is appearently not in your planning group means she's doing this as her own initiative.
This gives her the right to plan this thing however she desires, if you want to take this up as ESA completely, put her in the damn planning group and let her access the ESA account so she can do this, it was her idea
to begin with and i feel she should be the one executing it, she has the best idea of how SHE wants to do this. Trying to keep your name clean is hurting your own community it feels like, i would suggest stopping that ASAP,
but again i'm just an outsider, so take this advice as you wish